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cont'd... (part 4 of Lecture)

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...to a working system, that’s beneficial to most people.

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Now you can be so aberrated that you can’t see the benefits of the system.

Now, you can be so aberrated that you can’t see the benefits of the system.

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Can you understand that? You can be.

Can you understand that? You can be...

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It’s like the Jews going to the Nazis for free money.

It’s like the Jews going to the Nazis for free money to expand Jewish knowledge.

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Now (you know what a real, in the old days, liberal)

You know what a real, in the old days, a liberal...

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a liberal can’t go to a clan meeting and say “You guys are ridiculous.”

A liberal can’t go to a clan meeting and say “You guys are ridiculous.”

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He can talk to them, but he can’t talk to them, he will talk at them.

He can talk to them, but he can’t talk to them. He'll talk at them.

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They won’t hear a word he says because they listen as a clansman, with those tools.

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Is man a reasoning animal? He can’t be because he couldn’t change then.

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If he’s subject to change then he can’t have a fixed set of values, you know what that means?

If he’s subject to change, then he can’t have a fixed set of values. You know what that means?

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These are very tough things. You have to think about them a lot,

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toss them around, meaning, listen normal to

toss them around, meaning, listen to normal people,

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see if there’s any signal in what they say.

see if there’s any signal in what they say,

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Except “I like being with you” that means, they’re not dissatisfied.

except “I like being with you." That means they’re not dissatisfied.

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But you must provide tools. And to tell people that they need tools,

But you must provide tools,

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and to tell people that they need tools, they take as an insult.

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“Who the hell are you to tell me what I need?” You understand?

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The ego becomes involved because they think you’re downing them.

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You know what that means? You’re not downing them,

You know what that means? You’re not downing them.

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you’re trying to equip them with better tools.

You’re trying to equip them with better tools.

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And there is a glass cleaner that’s available called 'Transparent Glass',

There's a glass cleaner that’s available called Transparent Glass.

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are you familiar with it? You rub it on your windshield and you can’t see the glass.

Are you familiar with it? You rub it on your windshield, and you can’t see the glass.

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It deflects light in such a way that the glass looks like there’s no glass there.

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It’s called transparent fluid, which they use on optics now on cameras.

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But it’s temporary, it then fogs up a little.

But it’s temporary. It then fogs up a little.

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But anyway, with the advent of science and technology,

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assuming we don’t kill each other, say we live another thousand years.

(say assuming we don’t kill each other, we live another thousand years),

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To the average person, it’s not just a laptop, but it’s what it does.

to the average person, it’s not just a laptop, but it’s what it does.

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That is, you can turn pages of a book, you can move it with your fingers,

That is, you can turn pages of a book; you can move it with your fingers.

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it’s doing so many new things, which invite thousands of other new things,

It’s doing so many new things, which invite thousands of other new things,

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specially if people are in the business of making new things.

especially if people are in the business of making new things.

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So the exponential curve will go very sharp, leaving people behind continuously.

So, the exponential curve will go very sharp, leaving people behind continuously.

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That’s why an IQ test has nothing to do with anything

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except your responses in relation to a fixed set of conditions.

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IQ does not measure intelligence. You may have neurons,

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neurotransmitters more than the other person has,

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and you might remember more, but that doesn’t make you better.

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If you’re a specialist, say a psychologist, and you study human behavior,

If you’re a specialist, say a psychologist, and you're studying human behavior,

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how can you study human behavior without studying the monetary system?

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You know what I mean? The guy argues with his wife,

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so you tell ‘em to give a little, she will give a little, you know?

so you tell ‘em to give a little, she'll give a little, you know?

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Shit like that. Gotta get a drink.

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If you know psychologists or a neurologist,

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you ask them what does their profession do?

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Well, it tries to adjust people so they can respond to the culture.

It tries to adjust people so they can respond to the culture.

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That would be insane. Do you know what I mean?

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Do you know what I’m talking about?

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A psychologist would have to ask other questions

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"What is it I want? What is it that I want? I want a flexibility in human behavior".

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But a flexibility that doesn’t bring any money in might make the person a hobo.

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You know what I mean? Normal people have ideas of a well adjusted person,

You know what I mean? Normal people have ideas of a well-adjusted person.

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a well adjusted Indian is a well adjusted Indian,

A well-adjusted Indian is a well-adjusted Indian.

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a well adjusted Mexican is a well adjusted Mexican,

A well-adjusted Mexican is a well-adjusted Mexican.

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but there’s no such thing as well adjusted people.

But there’s no such thing as well-adjusted people.

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Do you know what that means? So trying to be well adjusted is updating your tools.

Do you know what that means? So trying to become well-adjusted is updating your tools.

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Well adjusted to change?

(R. Meadows) Well-adjusted to change?

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Yes. If you know what that means.

- Yes. If you know what that means.

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So, the problems become more difficult with this system to change people.

The problems become more difficult with this system to change people.

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They don’t even know they need change.

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I think when the laptop came out you had to show people what it does.

I think when the laptop came out, you had to show people what it does.

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They didn’t just sit there and do it.

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When something new comes out they show you what it does,

When something new comes out, they show you what it does,

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and they say "Oh these are new tools".

and they say "Oh, these are new tools".

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So now if a guy lives in the South Seas.

If a guy lives in the South Seas,

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learning celestial mechanics or high level mathematics,

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there’s no use for it out there if he is a native.

there’s no use for it out there, if he's a native.

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That’s information superfluous to his needs. You know what that means?

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If you teach a native, a primitive person, biological systems,

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it might be superfluous to his lifestyle there, you know what that means?

it might be superfluous to his lifestyle there. You know what that means?

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Okay. I would imagine that if there is such a thing

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as advanced people out in the universe,

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I don’t believe they would communicate with us.

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I don’t believe they would even try.

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I don’t believe they would have "Well let’s give them a hand".

I don’t believe they'd have "Well, let’s give them a hand".

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I don’t think they would think that way.

I don’t think they'd think that way.

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It’s like you and ants, you know what I mean?

It’s like you and ants. You know what I mean?

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Humans think that they would welcome a new civilization.

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So you don’t think we would be of interest? In terms of...

(Questioner) You don’t think we'd be of interest? In terms of...

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I don’t think so. How could we be of interest?

- I don’t think so. How could we be of interest?

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You know, we can’t say anything new,

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as said, specially if they land in the South Pacific,

especially if they land in the South Pacific,

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and they meet the natives, and the natives say

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"The volcanoes angry." What can they do with that?

"The volcano's angry." What can they do with that?

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They can leave the area or, I don’t even think they would know,

They can leave the area, or I don’t even think they'd know

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they would know the guy has primitive associations,

the guy has primitive associations,

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and they wouldn’t have to ask him anything else

and they wouldn’t have to ask him anything.

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they have to do is watch our TV shows,

All they have to do is watch our TV shows,

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which they watch for 2 seconds, "What a bunch of shit".

which they watch for 2 seconds, "What a bunch of shit!"

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I don’t think they would say that but, it’s very hard to see.

I don’t think they'd say that, but it’s very hard to see.

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What, you know, people say to me "Will people be happier in the future?"

What people say to me "Will people be happier in the future?"

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they’re using today's standards with the future.

They’re using today's standards with the future.

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It isn’t happiness that people need, it’s security and evaluation of the real world.

It isn’t happiness that people need. It’s security and evaluation of the real world.

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That brings equilibrium, and to the extent

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that your notions about the world are unreal, you will suffer.

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I would say, I think you told me that your father used to beat your mother,

I think you told me that your father used to beat your mother.

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that was the best tools he had.

That was the best tools he had.

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Getting mad at him does not give him new tools.

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And when he doesn’t say "What do you think I ought to do?"

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That would be rare, i don’t think he’d ever say that to you, would he?

(That would be rare.) I don’t think he’d ever say that to you, would he?

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"What do you think I ought to do?" He doesn’t even have that in his head.

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I gave him that opportunity one time and he rejected. Yes.

- I gave him that opportunity one time and he rejected. - Yes.

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I didn’t speak to him in 2 years.

- I didn’t speak to him in 2 years.

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Yes, but that is because you believe that people can think and reason,

- Yes, but that's because you believe that people can think and reason,

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only if you give them the tools, that takes time for the tools to gel(?) too.

only if you give them the tools, that takes time for the tools to gel, too.

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You just can’t hand people tools, they won’t even know what it is.

You just can’t hand people tools. They won’t even know what it is.

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You know what a stage is on a microscope?

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You can move the film minute quantities of distance

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that you’re looking at the specimen can be turned to the right,

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where you have to turn it 50 times to move it 1000th of an inch.

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So if you’re looking at bacteria that’s extensional.

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So again, all extensional devices change,

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that’s why you can never become sane.

That’s why you can never become sane.

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You can never become well adjusted, you know what

You can never become well-adjusted. Know what I mean?

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If all things keep changing, how can you become sane?

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And sane means, you’re sane, that can’t be,

And sane means, you’re sane. That can’t be

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because there’s so much we don’t know, we can become saner,

because there’s so much we don’t know. We can become saner,

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but never sane. Do you know what that means?

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You mean define sane? What’s that?

(Questioner) - You mean define sane? - What’s that?

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Can you define sane? I can’t hear you. Define sane.

- Can you define sane? - I can’t hear you. - Define sane.

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Sane meaning, the most operant behavior to fit a given set of circumstances.

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Now that is all that means. Now if a person comes over and says

Now that's all that it means. Now if a person comes over and says

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"I broke a leg" say "Call 911, go to the nearest hospital, i can’t deal with that."

"I broke a leg." Say "Call 911, go to the nearest hospital. I can't deal with that."

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That would be saner than saying "Oh my God, how did that happen?"

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"I fell off a 20 foot ladder." You still have to call 911, because you can’t deal with it.

"I fell off a 20-foot ladder." You still have to call 911, because you can’t deal with it.

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Well the person says "Don’t you have any sympathy? What do you mean call 911?"

Well, the person says "Don’t you have any sympathy? What do you mean call 911?"

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And he says "Yes, I’m sorry you broke your leg".

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They would feel better with that, but sane means

They'd feel better with that, but sane means

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to do what you can to help them out of that situation.

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Saner, never sane. Wiser, never wise. Smarter, never smart. You know what that means?

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So, when a person says "Well what’s the answer to all these problems?"

When a person says "Well, what’s the answer to all these problems?"

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That is a stupid question, there is no answer, there are answers as you go along.

That's a stupid question. There's no answer. There are answers, as you go along.

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"I wonder what Fresco meant by a sane society?"

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Well, nobody ever asked me, but that would be a lecture in itself.

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What is a sane society? That society is saner, do you understand what I’m saying?

What's a sane society? That society is saner. Do you understand what I’m saying?

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Now those are the tools I wanted you to know about, to make sure.

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So when you’re look at a neurologist, he is just measuring

So, when you look at a neurologist, he's just measuring

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the reaction the brain has when you stick a needle here, there,

the reaction the brain has when you stick a needle here, there.

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he knows what zone of the brain, he can draw a map of feelings,

He knows what zone of the brain: he can draw a map of feelings,

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depression, he can map out the brain.

depression. He can map out the brain.

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Then he can look for toxins in the brain.

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But he can’t understand the mind.

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He can’t understand that it’s a responding organism.

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When you use 'mind', you think like the associative system?

- When you use 'mind', you think like the associative system?

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Yes, that’s all you have is the associative system.

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You never become sane, can you understand that?

You never become sane. Can you understand that?

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If there’s a society out there that says "Boy, they’ve attained the ultimate".

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There could be no such thing.

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Ultimate means they’re all dead. When you die, it’s ultimate.

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But we all adjust constantly?

- But we all adjust constantly?

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We don’t adjust, we are made that way by circumstances.

We don’t adjust. We are made that way by circumstances.

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We either do or we blow our top.

We either do, or we blow our top.

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There are people that insist that the world

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that they have in their head is the real world, they wind up in institutions.

that they have in their head is the real world. They wind up in institutions.

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What’s what they have in their head is only their own little unique differences.

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So, if you ask a person, they say "I’m not well mentally".

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Say "What is it that you want?" "Well, I want a fair relationship with people."

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Or if you went to live in a Seminal Indian village,

Or if you went to live in a Seminole Indian village,

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if you don’t talk their language you’ll never get along with them.

if you don’t talk their language, you’ll never get along with them.

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So do you want to become a Seminal Indian?

So, do you want to become a Seminole Indian?

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Or do you want to be you in a Seminal village?

Or do you want to be you in a Seminole village?

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You can’t be you in a Seminal village. You have to change the village.

You can’t be you in a Seminole village. You have to change the village.

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You have to go into the village and say "Everything you guys do is wrong"

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and show them a new way. That’s almost impossible, so it’s easier to kill you.

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That’s what the Arab-Israeli thing is, it can go nowhere.

That’s what the Arab-Israeli thing is. It can go nowhere.

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It will never work out because they don’t even know what the problem is.

It'll never work out because they don’t even know what the problem is.

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The problem is everybody wants a piece of the pie.

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Now what does that mean? They want same opportunities other people have,

Now what does that mean? They want the same opportunities other people have,

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without discrimination. Can’t have that,

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because there are people already in power, only if they lose that power.

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As I understand it, things were so bad in Russia that the people revolted

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and they shot the royal family, kids and all. They didn’t want any carryovers.

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So, when Joe Stalin sent people to Siberia to work,

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they were disruptive to his culture, or his concept of culture.

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Now Joe Stalin never said "What kind of concepts should I have had?"

Joe Stalin never said "What kind of concepts should I have had?"

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He would never talk that way, he wouldn’t be Joe Stalin if he did.

He would never talk that way. He wouldn’t be Joe Stalin if he did.

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If you walked over to Hitler and said "Suppose you killed all the Jews, then what?"

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He doesn’t think about those things, you know what i mean?

He doesn’t think about those things. You know what I mean?

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It isn’t the Jews, it’s the business world that he doesn’t like.

It isn’t the Jews. It’s the business world that he doesn’t like.

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I don’t like Jewish conditioning, but i don’t like Catholic conditioning,

I don’t like Jewish conditioning, but I don’t like Catholic conditioning,

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I don’t like Presbyterian conditioning, I don’t like American conditioning.

I don’t like Presbyterian conditioning. I don’t like American conditioning.

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...to a working system, that’s beneficial to most people.

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Now you can be so aberrated that you can’t see the benefits of the system.

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Can you understand that? You can be.

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It’s like the Jews going to the Nazis for free money.

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Now (you know what a real, in the old days, liberal)

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a liberal can’t go to a clan meeting and say “You guys are ridiculous.”

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He can talk to them, but he can’t talk to them, he will talk at them.

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They won’t hear a word he says because they listen as a clansman, with those tools.

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Is man a reasoning animal? He can’t be because he couldn’t change then.

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If he’s subject to change then he can’t have a fixed set of values, you know what that means?

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These are very tough things. You have to think about them a lot,

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Except “I like being with you” that means, they’re not dissatisfied.

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“Who the hell are you to tell me what I need?” You understand?

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The ego becomes involved because they think you’re downing them.

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You know what that means? You’re not downing them,

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you’re trying to equip them with better tools.

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And there is a glass cleaner that’s available called 'Transparent Glass',

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are you familiar with it? You rub it on your windshield and you can’t see the glass.

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It deflects light in such a way that the glass looks like there’s no glass there.

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It’s called transparent fluid, which they use on optics now on cameras.

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But it’s temporary, it then fogs up a little.

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assuming we don’t kill each other, say we live another thousand years.

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it’s doing so many new things, which invite thousands of other new things,

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So the exponential curve will go very sharp, leaving people behind continuously.

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That’s why an IQ test has nothing to do with anything

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and you might remember more, but that doesn’t make you better.

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You know what I mean? The guy argues with his wife,

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so you tell ‘em to give a little, she will give a little, you know?

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Shit like that. Gotta get a drink.

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That would be insane. Do you know what I mean?

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Do you know what I’m talking about?

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But a flexibility that doesn’t bring any money in might make the person a hobo.

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Do you know what that means? So trying to be well adjusted is updating your tools.

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Well adjusted to change?

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That brings equilibrium, and to the extent

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that your notions about the world are unreal, you will suffer.

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I didn’t speak to him in 2 years.

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Can you define sane? I can’t hear you. Define sane.

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You never become sane, can you understand that?

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Is man a reasoning animal? He can’t be because he couldn’t change then.

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These are very tough things. You have to think about them a lot,

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“Who the hell are you to tell me what I need?” You understand?

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Are you familiar with it? You rub it on your windshield, and you can’t see the glass.

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That’s why an IQ test has nothing to do with anything

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except your responses in relation to a fixed set of conditions.

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IQ does not measure intelligence. You may have neurons,

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neurotransmitters more than the other person has,

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and you might remember more, but that doesn’t make you better.

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If you’re a specialist, say a psychologist, and you're studying human behavior,

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how can you study human behavior without studying the monetary system?

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You know what I mean? The guy argues with his wife,

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so you tell ‘em to give a little, she'll give a little, you know?

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Shit like that. Gotta get a drink.

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If you know psychologists or a neurologist,

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you ask them what does their profession do?

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It tries to adjust people so they can respond to the culture.

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That would be insane. Do you know what I mean?

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Do you know what I’m talking about?

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A psychologist would have to ask other questions

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"What is it I want? What is it that I want? I want a flexibility in human behavior".

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But a flexibility that doesn’t bring any money in might make the person a hobo.

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You know what I mean? Normal people have ideas of a well-adjusted person.

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A well-adjusted Indian is a well-adjusted Indian.

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A well-adjusted Mexican is a well-adjusted Mexican.

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But there’s no such thing as well-adjusted people.

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Do you know what that means? So trying to become well-adjusted is updating your tools.

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(R. Meadows) Well-adjusted to change?

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- Yes. If you know what that means.

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The problems become more difficult with this system to change people.

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They don’t even know they need change.

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I think when the laptop came out, you had to show people what it does.

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They didn’t just sit there and do it.

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When something new comes out, they show you what it does,

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and they say "Oh, these are new tools".

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If a guy lives in the South Seas,

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learning celestial mechanics or high level mathematics,

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there’s no use for it out there, if he's a native.

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That’s information superfluous to his needs. You know what that means?

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If you teach a native, a primitive person, biological systems,

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it might be superfluous to his lifestyle there. You know what that means?

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Okay. I would imagine that if there is such a thing

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as advanced people out in the universe,

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I don’t believe they would communicate with us.

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I don’t believe they would even try.

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I don’t believe they'd have "Well, let’s give them a hand".

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I don’t think they'd think that way.

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It’s like you and ants. You know what I mean?

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Humans think that they would welcome a new civilization.

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(Questioner) You don’t think we'd be of interest? In terms of...

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- I don’t think so. How could we be of interest?

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You know, we can’t say anything new,

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especially if they land in the South Pacific,

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and they meet the natives, and the natives say

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"The volcano's angry." What can they do with that?

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They can leave the area, or I don’t even think they'd know

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the guy has primitive associations,

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and they wouldn’t have to ask him anything.

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All they have to do is watch our TV shows,

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which they watch for 2 seconds, "What a bunch of shit!"

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I don’t think they'd say that, but it’s very hard to see.

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What people say to me "Will people be happier in the future?"

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They’re using today's standards with the future.

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It isn’t happiness that people need. It’s security and evaluation of the real world.

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That brings equilibrium, and to the extent

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that your notions about the world are unreal, you will suffer.

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I think you told me that your father used to beat your mother.

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That was the best tools he had.

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Getting mad at him does not give him new tools.

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And when he doesn’t say "What do you think I ought to do?"

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(That would be rare.) I don’t think he’d ever say that to you, would he?

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"What do you think I ought to do?" He doesn’t even have that in his head.

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- I gave him that opportunity one time and he rejected. - Yes.

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- I didn’t speak to him in 2 years.

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- Yes, but that's because you believe that people can think and reason,

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only if you give them the tools, that takes time for the tools to gel, too.

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You just can’t hand people tools. They won’t even know what it is.

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You know what a stage is on a microscope?

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You can move the film minute quantities of distance

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that you’re looking at the specimen can be turned to the right,

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where you have to turn it 50 times to move it 1000th of an inch.

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So if you’re looking at bacteria that’s extensional.

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So again, all extensional devices change,

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That’s why you can never become sane.

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You can never become well-adjusted. Know what I mean?

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If all things keep changing, how can you become sane?

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And sane means, you’re sane. That can’t be

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because there’s so much we don’t know. We can become saner,

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but never sane. Do you know what that means?

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(Questioner) - You mean define sane? - What’s that?

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- Can you define sane?  - I can’t hear you. - Define sane.

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Sane meaning, the most operant behavior to fit a given set of circumstances.

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Now that's all that it means. Now if a person comes over and says

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"I broke a leg." Say "Call 911, go to the nearest hospital. I can't deal with that."

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That would be saner than saying "Oh my God, how did that happen?"

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"I fell off a 20-foot ladder." You still have to call 911, because you can’t deal with it.

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Well, the person says "Don’t you have any sympathy? What do you mean call 911?"

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And he says "Yes, I’m sorry you broke your leg".

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They'd feel better with that, but sane means

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to do what you can to help them out of that situation.

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Saner, never sane. Wiser, never wise. Smarter, never smart. You know what that means?

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When a person says "Well, what’s the answer to all these problems?"

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That's a stupid question. There's no answer. There are answers, as you go along.

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"I wonder what Fresco meant by a sane society?"

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Well, nobody ever asked me, but that would be a lecture in itself.

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What's a sane society? That society is saner. Do you understand what I’m saying?

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Now those are the tools I wanted you to know about, to make sure.

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So, when you look at a neurologist, he's just measuring

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the reaction the brain has when you stick a needle here, there.

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He knows what zone of the brain: he can draw a map of feelings,

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depression. He can map out the brain.

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Then he can look for toxins in the brain.

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But he can’t understand the mind.

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He can’t understand that it’s a responding organism.

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- When you use 'mind', you think like the associative system?

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Yes, that’s all you have is the associative system.

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You never become sane. Can you understand that?

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If there’s a society out there that says "Boy, they’ve attained the ultimate".

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There could be no such thing.

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Ultimate means they’re all dead. When you die, it’s ultimate.

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- But we all adjust constantly?

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We don’t adjust. We are made that way by circumstances.

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We either do, or we blow our top.

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There are people that insist that the world

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that they have in their head is the real world. They wind up in institutions.

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What’s what they have in their head is only their own little unique differences.

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So, if you ask a person, they say "I’m not well mentally".

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Say "What is it that you want?"  "Well, I want a fair relationship with people."

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Or if you went to live in a Seminole Indian village,

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if you don’t talk their language, you’ll never get along with them.

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So, do you want to become a Seminole Indian?

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Or do you want to be you in a Seminole village?

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You can’t be you in a Seminole village. You have to change the village.

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You have to go into the village and say "Everything you guys do is wrong"

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and show them a new way. That’s almost impossible, so it’s easier to kill you.

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That’s what the Arab-Israeli thing is. It can go nowhere.

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It'll never work out because they don’t even know what the problem is.

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The problem is everybody wants a piece of the pie.

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Now what does that mean? They want the same opportunities other people have,

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without discrimination. Can’t have that,

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because there are people already in power, only if they lose that power.

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As I understand it, things were so bad in Russia that the people revolted

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and they shot the royal family, kids and all. They didn’t want any carryovers.

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So, when Joe Stalin sent people to Siberia to work,

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they were disruptive to his culture, or his concept of culture.

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Joe Stalin never said "What kind of concepts should I have had?"

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He would never talk that way. He wouldn’t be Joe Stalin if he did.

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If you walked over to Hitler and said "Suppose you killed all the Jews, then what?"

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He doesn’t think about those things. You know what I mean?

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It isn’t the Jews. It’s the business world that he doesn’t like.

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I don’t like Jewish conditioning, but I don’t like Catholic conditioning,

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I don’t like Presbyterian conditioning. I don’t like American conditioning.

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So it’s the conditioning that's a problem. But you only do what you can do.

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