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continued... (part 3 of Lecture)

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I would like you to say something about what I'm about to say.

(J.Fresco) I'd like you to say something about what I'm about to say.

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Correct it: "Let us sit and reason together."

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Say something about that.

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- What do you mean by reason?

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"Think logically."

- Think logically.

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I'm not normal.

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- What is that? What is logic?

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"Use your head, use your natural inclinations."

- Use your head. Use your natural inclinations.

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- He's saying, "look at it my way." - Yes, that's what he's saying.

(R. Meadows) He's saying "Look at it my way." - Yes, that's what he's saying.

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"Let us sit and reason together" means "see if you can see things my way."

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That's impossible conversation. Or, "you shouldn't have done that."

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If a person honestly doesn't know what to do about something,

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and you say "you shouldn't have done that",

and you say "You shouldn't have done that",

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it's better to say what you can do to make it work,

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rather than "you shouldn't have done that".

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Give them something to do that'll make it work.

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If your cat rubs its body against you and you kick the cat,

If your cat rubs its body against you, and you kick the cat,

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that doesn't change the pattern, he may move away then.

that doesn't change the pattern; he may move away then.

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But what you're really interested in is, I'm getting right to the point now,

But what you're really interested in is (I'm getting right to the point now)

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is manipulating the environment, that's what you really want.

is manipulating the environment. That's what you really want.

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The purpose of language is not to communicate,

The purpose of language is not to communicate.

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it's to control the behavior of other people.

It's the control of behavior of other people.

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When you tell another person "mow the lawn,

When you tell another person "Mow the lawn,

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I'll give you 5 bucks", he says "no". "10 bucks?" "yes I'll mow the lawn".

I'll give you 5 bucks." He says "no." "10 bucks?" "Yes, I'll mow the lawn."

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Money is a control device to a limited extent.

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If you offer a girl 5 dollars to have sex with her,

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she'll feel terribly insulted. But if you give her 1 million dollars,

she'll feel terribly insulted, but if you give her 1 million dollars,

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she might have to think about it, even though she is a moralist.

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She might have to set her morals aside for that deal,

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'otherwise I have to work for 40 years and never get that opportunity'.

"Otherwise, I have to work for 40 years and never get that opportunity."

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Is it an opportunity? It could be an insult to some people.

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So, "use your head" is no language at all.

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Or "you're dumb, you're dumb", there's no language, no communication.

Or "You're dumb. You're dumb." There's no language, no communication.

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Or "you shouldn't have done that" is no communication.

Or "You shouldn't have done that" is no communication.

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Or "I hate you!" is no communication.

Or "I hate you!" is no communication

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Unless you say "you let the sink run and overflowed everything

unless you say "You let the sink run, and it overflowed everything,

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and I had to work 4 hours cleaning it up,

and I had to work 4 hours cleaning it up.

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try not to do that again, otherwise I won't let you near the sink."

Try not to do that again, otherwise I won't let you near the sink."

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Okay? Whatever it is that you have to do.

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So you've got a long way to go; most language is noise.

So, you've got a long way to go; most language is noise.

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When people sit and talk to each other,

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if you check with them three days later, "what did you talk about?"

if you check with them three days later, "What did you talk about?"

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they usually don't know because it was not significant.

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When normal people get together and talk, they usually say nothing.

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They can't say anything.

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So when you have a Zeitgeist meeting,

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they can only talk within the realm of what they think that means.

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Are you with me?

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Do you understand that if the brain is perfectly organised,

Do you understand that if the brain is perfectly organized,

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all the tissue is good quality,

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it has no mechanism for knowing how to react under varying conditions.

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That's learned.

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They say "you can't pass on what you learn".

They say "You can't pass on what you learn".

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It seems to me, that's a semantic term "it seems to me",

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it's always good to use "it seems to me that this is so",

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meaning "that's so", "it seems to me".

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Now, if I look at person that's tri-sexual, tries anything,

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I would say that they've been off in some odd direction,

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but I don't look down at them.

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I know that I could've been brought up that way,

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I could've been brought up by the headhunters.

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If you take a baby from a civilized world,

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2 years old and bring him up as a head-hunter, he'd be a head-hunter.

2 years old, and bring him up as a head-hunter, he'd be a head-hunter.

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And if you say "that's a terrible thing",

And if you say "That's a terrible thing",

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I don't know that it's much more terrible than the world you live in.

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When a guy is a plumber and another guy is an electrician,

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I think that's unfair use of a brain

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to make a person an electrician or a plumber.

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Generalist. You are giving them more tools,

Generalist, you're giving them more tools,

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not all the tools but more tools.

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That is what a person craves at a meeting,

That is what a person craves at a meeting.

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they don't know why they go there, they say they go there because

They don't know why they go there. They say they go there because

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"I like The Zeitgeist Movement" or "I like The Venus Project".

"I like The Zeitgeist Movement", or "I like The Venus Project".

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And if you pin them down, what do you think The Venus Project is?

If you pin them down, what do you think The Venus Project is?

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"It's a different interpretation of lifestyle."

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"How different?" Pin them down, see if you can get information.

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They usually don't provide the information,

They usually don't provide the information

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because they don't know that much about it. I will open this up to questions.

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If you have any?

if you have any?

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- I had some requests from people if you could talk more a little bit about

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anthropology... anthropology

anthropology...

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as a scientific discipline. -In anthropology they are okay,

as a scientific discipline. - In anthropology they're okay.

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when they step out of the field they usually conform.

When they step out of the field, they usually conform;

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Or they can get a job as a teacher of anthropology.

or they can get a job as a teacher of anthropology.

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But the anthropologist studies different cultures,

The anthropologist studies different cultures,

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mainly primitive, but he doesn't think his own culture is primitive.

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See, unfortunately, there is no field you can study today

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that isn't entrapped in a culture somewhere.

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Do you know what that means? It's hard to escape,

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and if you really succeeded in escaping from your culture,

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you would have difficulty talking to people.

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All you would be doing is informing them.

All you'd be doing is informing them.

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And they say, "what are your qualifications for informing me?"

And they say, "What are your qualifications for informing me?"

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Say "what do you get out of it?" That's the qualifications.

Say "What do you get out of it?" That's the qualifications.

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If you get nothing out of it, there are no qualifications.

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Qualification is, how well does the system work?

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If you don't water your plants they don't grow, so you water them.

If you don't water your plants, they don't grow, so you water them.

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If the water's contaminated with chemicals and poisons, the plants die.

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The only way to know that is to do what they call "the wrong thing".

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It's never the wrong thing.

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- In science like on the Larry King show, last,

- (R. Meadows) In science like on the Larry King show, last,

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when they were talking about brain and mind

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and trying to distinguish one from another.

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- Yes, what's the difference? - Yes I don't see any.

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The brain is like a battery, the charge is the mind.

The brain is like a battery. The charge is the mind.

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Do you know what that means? Into a battery,

Do you know what that means?

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if I put up a sign "batteries free of charge",

If I put up a sign "batteries free of charge",

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that would mean no electrical charge in them.

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It doesn't mean you can take it home for nothing.

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If I give you a battery 'free of charge',

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a mind 'free of charge', sometimes it's a brain hit by lightening,

a mind 'free of charge', sometimes it's a brain hit by lightning.

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it so saturates everything that the guy doesn't know he's even there.

It so saturates everything that the guy doesn't know he's even there.

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The brain's been shocked into nonassociative systems.

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That can happen.

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Or the brain can be partially shocked, into no-association systems.

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Then there's such a thing as neurotoxins, poisons in the brain,

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that make it unable to operate.

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And then there is conditioning that makes the brain unable to operate.

And then there's conditioning that makes the brain unable to operate.

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It's hard to tell the difference,

It's hard to tell the difference

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because neurotoxins can stop the brain from operating

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and a guy brought up in a thalamic country.

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You know what that means? 'Emotional only'.

You know what that means? Emotional only,

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And he only gets angry when people don't do what he asked them to do,

and he only gets angry when people don't do what he asked them to do.

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"I told you to cook the chicken", you know, and they get angry,

"I told you to cook the chicken", you know, and they get angry.

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that means you didn't affect their behavior the way you wanted to.

That means you didn't affect their behavior the way you wanted to.

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You know, you can't say to kids "I want you to listen to every word I say".

You can't say to kids "I want you to listen to every word I say".

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He can't even hear the words you say, unless you tell him what the words mean.

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So you've got a much bigger job than you think.

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It isn't just saying "Now you listen to me, I'll tell you the truth".

It isn't just saying "Now you listen to me. I'll tell you the truth".

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You can't walk over to a judge and say "everything you do is based on ignorance",

You can't walk over to a judge and say "Everything you do is based on ignorance".

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he says "how do you see that? How do you mean that?" I say,

He says "How do you see that? How do you mean that?" I say

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if you ever run into a judge that talks that way, you're half way there.

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I've never met a person who says "how do you mean that?"

I've never met a person who says "How do you mean that?"

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So if you say to a judge "Everything you do is erroneous, is unreal,

If you say to a judge "Everything you do is erroneous, unreal,

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you might as well be a head-hunter. You're putting people in jail,

you might as well be a head-hunter. You're putting people in jail.

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you're judging people, you know nothing about their background."

You're judging people. You know nothing about their background."

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He says "I know plenty about their background!

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He is a criminal. He has been in jail before."

He is a criminal. He's been in jail before."

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That's his yard stick, associative memory.

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So all our actions are based on

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associative memory, do you understand what that means?

associative memory. Do you understand what that means?

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Your experience. Not the truth.

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When a person says "I would like to know the truth about something.

When a person says "I'd like to know the truth about something.

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Does the universe change?"

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And another person might say "at what rate does it change?"

And another person might say "At what rate does it change?"

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You know, you can take a camera and a telescope

You can take a camera and a telescope

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and photograph the universe every 2 hours

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and the stars will move to different positions.

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But normally looking at it, all the stars appear to be fixed.

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So even that time frame camera, if set to photograph every month,

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the planets will move a great deal.

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So you can record and say,

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when you're scientific, you can say "Within 12 minutes, this is what we get.

when you're scientific "Within 12 minutes, this is what we get.

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Within 40 minutes, this is what we get."

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"which is the right one?" that doesn't make sense.

You don't know which is the right one. That doesn't make sense.

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If you photograph an automobile with an ordinary camera,

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the wheels appear to be turning backwards.

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Have you ever noticed that on cars? On a motion picture?

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Well if you can sync your camera, with real events in real time,

If you can sync your camera with real events in real time,

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you can get the wheels to appear to turn in the right direction.

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So, all knowledge is based upon time.

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When a chemist looks at something, he looks at it as a chemist.

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When a writer listens to a person he listens for story,

When a writer listens to a person, he listens for story.

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what he feels would be commercially saleable.

What he feels will be commercially saleable.

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When a salesman looks at person, he is looking at something entirely different

When a salesman looks at person, he's looking at something entirely different.

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"Can I sell you a lawn mower?"

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It seems to me that if you were to tell the average person,

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if you had a city of 10,000 people,

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and they all chipped in 10 bucks a piece and built a community bank,

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and all the profit went to that city,

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he should lap onto that because that makes sense.

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You know what I mean? If it was a community owned bank

You know what I mean? If it was a community-owned bank

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and all the profit went to everybody,

and all the profit went to everybody.

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if the community of 10,000 people chipped in 10 bucks a piece,

If the community of 10,000 people chipped in 10 bucks a piece

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and bought a farm, food would be much less for everybody.

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So, when they say "that sounds like communism" that doesn't deal with anything,

So, when they say "That sounds like communism", that doesn't deal with anything.

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the person's not addressing the subject. What's wrong with a community bank?

The person's not addressing the subject. What's wrong with a community bank?

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He says "it will kill incentive", have you ever tried it?

He says "It'll kill incentive." "Have you ever tried it?"

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"No". Then how do you know it'll kill incentive?

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You know, you're always wrestling with people.

You're always wrestling with people.

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So, if you got 4,000 houses or say 300 houses

If you've got 4,000 houses, or say 300 houses,

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and each one buys a lawnmower,

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if you bought 6 gigantic lawnmowers and mow the whole area,

if you bought 6 gigantic lawnmowers and mowed the whole area,

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it'd be better than selling a lawnmower to every house.

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But it's better for business,

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but collectivism is obviously better than any other system.

Collectivism is obviously better than any other system.

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So people say to me,

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or I've been reading anti-utopian books,

or I've been reading anti-utopian books:

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it says "man doesn't stay fixed, he's changing"

It says "man doesn't stay fixed; he's changing."

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well it depends on the rate of change.

Well, it depends on the rate of change.

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Man, they say, can't be controlled,

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because he is not a fixed entity.

because he's not a fixed entity.

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When you see all these Chinese marching together in North Korea,

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they march like one unit.

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And we did 2,000 plane raids over Germany.

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How would you get 2,000 planes off the ground

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without making them very uniform? You know what I mean?

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Now, what degree of uniformity can you attain with people?

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It depends on how sophisticated your equipment is.

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Now, when they say "is there a place for individuality?"

When they say "Is there a place for individuality?"

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when you say to me "if a guy likes to fuck frogs, would there be a place for him?"

When you say to me "If a guy likes to fuck frogs, would there be a place for him?"

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What do you mean by individuality? I don't know what they're talking about.

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'Will they be free?' they are never free.

'Will they be free?' They're never free.

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You can't be free of your background,

You can't be free of your background.

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you speak in some language always,

You speak in some language, always:

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Japanese, Chinese, but you can't be free.

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If a guy comes up and he says "bla-bla-bla".

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I'm an individualist.

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That's what that means, it means he doesn't respond as you do.

That's what that means. It means he doesn't respond as you do,

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Well you can't deal with him if he doesn't. You can't make any deals,

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that indoctrinates people to a working system

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I would like you to say something about what I'm about to say.

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Correct it: "Let us sit and reason together."

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Say something about that.

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- What do you mean by reason?

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I'm not normal.

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- What is that? What is logic?

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- He's saying, "look at it my way." - Yes, that's what he's saying.

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"Let us sit and reason together" means "see if you can see things my way."

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That's impossible conversation. Or, "you shouldn't have done that."

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it's better to say what you can do to make it work,

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rather than "you shouldn't have done that".

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that doesn't change the pattern, he may move away then.

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But what you're really interested in is, I'm getting right to the point now,

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is manipulating the environment, that's what you really want.

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The purpose of language is not to communicate,

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it's to control the behavior of other people.

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I'll give you 5 bucks", he says "no". "10 bucks?" "yes I'll mow the lawn".

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she might have to think about it, even though she is a moralist.

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'otherwise I have to work for 40 years and never get that opportunity'.

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So, "use your head" is no language at all.

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Or "you're dumb, you're dumb", there's no language, no communication.

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Or "you shouldn't have done that" is no communication.

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Okay? Whatever it is that you have to do.

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So you've got a long way to go; most language is noise.

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they usually don't know because it was not significant.

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They can't say anything.

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Are you with me?

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Do you understand that if the brain is perfectly organised,

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all the tissue is good quality,

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it has no mechanism for knowing how to react under varying conditions.

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That's learned.

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They say "you can't pass on what you learn".

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It seems to me, that's a semantic term "it seems to me",

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it's always good to use "it seems to me that this is so",

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not all the tools but more tools.

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"It's a different interpretation of lifestyle."

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and a guy brought up in a thalamic country.

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You know, you can't say to kids "I want you to listen to every word I say".

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It isn't just saying "Now you listen to me, I'll tell you the truth".

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you're judging people, you know nothing about their background."

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Does the universe change?"

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when you say to me "if a guy likes to fuck frogs, would there be a place for him?"

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'Will they be free?' they are never free.

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(J.Fresco) I'd like you to say something about what I'm about to say.

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Correct it: "Let us sit and reason together."

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Say something about that.

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- What do you mean by reason?

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- Think logically.

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I'm not normal.

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- What is that? What is logic?

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- Use your head. Use your natural inclinations.

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(R. Meadows) He's saying "Look at it my way." - Yes, that's what he's saying.

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"Let us sit and reason together" means "see if you can see things my way."

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That's impossible conversation. Or, "you shouldn't have done that."

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If a person honestly doesn't know what to do about something,

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and you say "You shouldn't have done that",

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it's better to say what you can do to make it work,

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rather than "you shouldn't have done that".

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Give them something to do that'll make it work.

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If your cat rubs its body against you, and you kick the cat,

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that doesn't change the pattern; he may move away then.

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But what you're really interested in is (I'm getting right to the point now)

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is manipulating the environment. That's what you really want.

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The purpose of language is not to communicate.

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It's the control of behavior of other people.

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When you tell another person "Mow the lawn,

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I'll give you 5 bucks." He says "no." "10 bucks?" "Yes, I'll mow the lawn."

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Money is a control device to a limited extent.

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If you offer a girl 5 dollars to have sex with her,

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she'll feel terribly insulted, but if you give her 1 million dollars,

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she might have to think about it, even though she is a moralist.

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She might have to set her morals aside for that deal,

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"Otherwise, I have to work for 40 years and never get that opportunity."

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Is it an opportunity? It could be an insult to some people.

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So, "use your head" is no language at all.

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Or "You're dumb. You're dumb." There's no language, no communication.

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Or "You shouldn't have done that" is no communication.

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Or "I hate you!" is no communication

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unless you say "You let the sink run, and it overflowed everything,

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and I had to work 4 hours cleaning it up.

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Try not to do that again, otherwise I won't let you near the sink."

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Okay? Whatever it is that you have to do.

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So, you've got a long way to go; most language is noise.

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When people sit and talk to each other,

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if you check with them three days later, "What did you talk about?"

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they usually don't know because it was not significant.

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When normal people get together and talk, they usually say nothing.

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They can't say anything.

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So when you have a Zeitgeist meeting,

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they can only talk within the realm of what they think that means.

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Are you with me?

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Do you understand that if the brain is perfectly organized,

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all the tissue is good quality,

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it has no mechanism for knowing how to react under varying conditions.

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That's learned.

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They say "You can't pass on what you learn".

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It seems to me, that's a semantic term "it seems to me",

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it's always good to use "it seems to me that this is so",

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meaning "that's so", "it seems to me".

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Now, if I look at person that's tri-sexual, tries anything,

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I would say that they've been off in some odd direction,

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but I don't look down at them.

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I know that I could've been brought up that way,

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I could've been brought up by the headhunters.

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If you take a baby from a civilized world,

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2 years old, and bring him up as a head-hunter, he'd be a head-hunter.

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And if you say "That's a terrible thing",

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I don't know that it's much more terrible than the world you live in.

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When a guy is a plumber and another guy is an electrician,

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I think that's unfair use of a brain

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to make a person an electrician or a plumber.

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Generalist, you're giving them more tools,

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not all the tools but more tools.

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That is what a person craves at a meeting.

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They don't know why they go there. They say they go there because

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"I like The Zeitgeist Movement", or "I like The Venus Project".

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If you pin them down, what do you think The Venus Project is?

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"It's a different interpretation of lifestyle."

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"How different?" Pin them down, see if you can get information.

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They usually don't provide the information

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because they don't know that much about it. I will open this up to questions.

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if you have any?

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- I had some requests from people if you could talk more a little bit about

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anthropology...

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as a scientific discipline. - In anthropology they're okay.

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When they step out of the field, they usually conform;

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or they can get a job as a teacher of anthropology.

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The anthropologist studies different cultures,

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mainly primitive, but he doesn't think his own culture is primitive.

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See, unfortunately, there is no field you can study today

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that isn't entrapped in a culture somewhere.

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Do you know what that means? It's hard to escape,

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and if you really succeeded in escaping from your culture,

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you would have difficulty talking to people.

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All you'd be doing is informing them.

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And they say, "What are your qualifications for informing me?"

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Say "What do you get out of it?" That's the qualifications.

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If you get nothing out of it, there are no qualifications.

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Qualification is, how well does the system work?

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If you don't water your plants, they don't grow, so you water them.

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If the water's contaminated with chemicals and poisons, the plants die.

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The only way to know that is to do what they call "the wrong thing".

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It's never the wrong thing.

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- (R. Meadows) In science like on the Larry King show, last,

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when they were talking about brain and mind

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and trying to distinguish one from another.

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- Yes, what's the difference? - Yes I don't see any.

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The brain is like a battery. The charge is the mind.

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Do you know what that means?

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If I put up a sign "batteries free of charge",

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that would mean no electrical charge in them.

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It doesn't mean you can take it home for nothing.

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If I give you a battery 'free of charge',

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a mind 'free of charge', sometimes it's a brain hit by lightning.

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It so saturates everything that the guy doesn't know he's even there.

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The brain's been shocked into nonassociative systems.

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That can happen.

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Or the brain can be partially shocked, into no-association systems.

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Then there's such a thing as neurotoxins, poisons in the brain,

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that make it unable to operate.

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And then there's conditioning that makes the brain unable to operate.

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It's hard to tell the difference

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because neurotoxins can stop the brain from operating

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and a guy brought up in a thalamic country.

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You know what that means? Emotional only,

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and he only gets angry when people don't do what he asked them to do.

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"I told you to cook the chicken", you know, and they get angry.

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That means you didn't affect their behavior the way you wanted to.

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You can't say to kids "I want you to listen to every word I say".

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He can't even hear the words you say, unless you tell him what the words mean.

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So you've got a much bigger job than you think.

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It isn't just saying "Now you listen to me. I'll tell you the truth".

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You can't walk over to a judge and say "Everything you do is based on ignorance".

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He says "How do you see that? How do you mean that?" I say

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if you ever run into a judge that talks that way, you're half way there.

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I've never met a person who says "How do you mean that?"

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If you say to a judge "Everything you do is erroneous, unreal,

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you might as well be a head-hunter. You're putting people in jail.

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You're judging people. You know nothing about their background."

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He says "I know plenty about their background!

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He is a criminal. He's been in jail before."

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That's his yard stick, associative memory.

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So all our actions are based on

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associative memory. Do you understand what that means?

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Your experience. Not the truth.

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When a person says "I'd like to know the truth about something.

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Does the universe change?"

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And another person might say "At what rate does it change?"

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You can take a camera and a telescope

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and photograph the universe every 2 hours

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and the stars will move to different positions.

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But normally looking at it, all the stars appear to be fixed.

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So even that time frame camera, if set to photograph every month,

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the planets will move a great deal.

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So you can record and say,

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when you're scientific "Within 12 minutes, this is what we get.

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Within 40 minutes, this is what we get."

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You don't know which is the right one. That doesn't make sense.

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If you photograph an automobile with an ordinary camera,

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the wheels appear to be turning backwards.

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Have you ever noticed that on cars? On a motion picture?

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If you can sync your camera with real events in real time,

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you can get the wheels to appear to turn in the right direction.

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So, all knowledge is based upon time.

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When a chemist looks at something, he looks at it as a chemist.

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When a writer listens to a person, he listens for story.

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What he feels will be commercially saleable.

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When a salesman looks at person, he's looking at something entirely different.

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"Can I sell you a lawn mower?"

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It seems to me that if you were to tell the average person,

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if you had a city of 10,000 people,

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and they all chipped in 10 bucks a piece and built a community bank,

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and all the profit went to that city,

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he should lap onto that because that makes sense.

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You know what I mean? If it was a community-owned bank

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and all the profit went to everybody.

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If the community of 10,000 people chipped in 10 bucks a piece

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and bought a farm, food would be much less for everybody.

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So, when they say "That sounds like communism", that doesn't deal with anything.

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The person's not addressing the subject. What's wrong with a community bank?

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He says "It'll kill incentive." "Have you ever tried it?"

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"No". Then how do you know it'll kill incentive?

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You're always wrestling with people.

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If you've got 4,000 houses, or say 300 houses,

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and each one buys a lawnmower,

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if you bought 6 gigantic lawnmowers and mowed the whole area,

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it'd be better than selling a lawnmower to every house.

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But it's better for business,

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Collectivism is obviously better than any other system.

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So people say to me,

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or I've been reading anti-utopian books:

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It says "man doesn't stay fixed; he's changing."

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Well, it depends on the rate of change.

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Man, they say, can't be controlled,

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because he's not a fixed entity.

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When you see all these Chinese marching together in North Korea,

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they march like one unit.

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And we did 2,000 plane raids over Germany.

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How would you get 2,000 planes off the ground

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without making them very uniform? You know what I mean?

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Now, what degree of uniformity can you attain with people?

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It depends on how sophisticated your equipment is.

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When they say "Is there a place for individuality?"

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When you say to me "If a guy likes to fuck frogs, would there be a place for him?"

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What do you mean by individuality? I don't know what they're talking about.

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I know what they think they are talking about.

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'Will they be free?' They're never free.

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You can't be free of your background.

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You speak in some language, always:

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Japanese, Chinese, but you can't be free.

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If a guy comes up and he says "bla-bla-bla".

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I'm an individualist.

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That's what that means. It means he doesn't respond as you do,

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but you can't deal with him if he doesn't. You can't make any deals,

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you can't get any behavioral cooperation.

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So, The Zeitgeist Movement should be a system

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that indoctrinates people to a working system

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that's beneficial to most people.

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