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> <details><summary>Jump to rules section...</summary>
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> <li><a href="#General">General</a></li>
> <li><a href="#General">General</a></li>
> <li><a href="#Provider">Provider Tag</a></li>
> <li><a href="#Provider">Provider Tag</a></li>
> <li><a href="#Offers">Offers</a></li>
> <li><a href="#Offers">Offers</a></li>
> <li><a href="#Exclusive">Exclusive Offers</a></li>
> <li><a href="#Exclusive">Exclusive Offers</a></li>
> <li><a href="#Services">Services Provider</a></li>
> <li><a href="#Free">Free Offers</a></li>
> <li><a href="#Free">Free Offers</a></li>
> <li><a href="#Domain">Domain Sales</a></li>
> <li><a href="#Domain">Domain Sales</a></li>
> <li><a href="#Tran">Server Transfer Threads</a></li>
> <li><a href="#Tran">Server Transfer Threads</a></li>
> <li><a href="#Sig">Signature</a></li>
> <li><a href="#Sig">Signature</a></li>
> <li><a href="#Warnings">Warnings</a></li>
> <li><a href="#Warnings">Warnings</a></li>
> <li><a href="#Info">Information</a></li>
> <li><a href="#Info">Information</a></li>
> <li><a href="https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/5321/les-privacy-policy">Privacy Policy</a></li>
> <li><a href="https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/5321/les-privacy-policy">Privacy Policy</a></li>
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> **<a name="General"></a>GENERAL:**
> **<a name="General"></a>GENERAL:**
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> * Don't be a dick
> * Don't be a dick
> * LES is white hat, no illegal content or links to illegal content
> * LES is white hat, no illegal content or links to illegal content
> * LES is eternal, don't post it if you don't mean it.
> * LES is eternal, don't post it if you don't mean it, you accept that you are here of your own free will and can leave at any time but the content you post here will always be part of LowEndSpirit.
> * Multiple accounts for the same person or legal entity are not allowed without prior approval by LES staff.
> * Multiple accounts for the same person or legal entity are not allowed without prior approval by LES staff.
> * Smoking guns are not required, admin/mod decisions are to be respected (reasonable questioning of decisions is fine)
> * Smoking guns are not required, admin/mod decisions are to be respected (reasonable questioning of decisions is fine, we dont have hours to spend on every decision)
> * Negative "reviews" without proof will be placed in the Rants section and will do no damage.
> * Negative "reviews" without proof will be placed in the Rants section, which is de-indexed and will do no damage outside of this community.
> * Trying to skirt the fine line of being a troll will just get you banned.
> * Ban evasion = re-ban.
> * Being a general Admin/mod time vacuum = ban.
> * Being a general Admin/mod time vacuum = ban.
> * LES is a buyer beware market, it is not possible to pre-filter every offer or host.
> * LES is a buyer-beware market; it is not possible to pre-filter every offer or host.
> * Do not trash offer posts for the sake of it, if you have a genuine issue with a host [open a helpdesk ticket](https://support.lowendspirit.com/index.php?a=add&category=1 "open a helpdesk ticket") or write a review if it is service-related, this goes double for other hosts.
> * Do not stalk anyone or any service provider; repeatedly adding the same comments or negative experience will be considered vendetta-type behaviour.
> * Do not dox people in ANY sense of the word.
> * Do not dox people in ANY sense of the word.
> * Posting a product or service for sale thread without a [provider tag](https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/26/rules-rules-rules-rules-rules-info-updated-july-15th-2023/p1?new=1#Provider "provider tag") will get you banned. Exceptions: [Domain Sales,](https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/26/rules-rules-rules-rules-rules-info-updated-july-15th-2023/p1?new=1#Domain "Domain Sales,") [Service Transfers](https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/26/rules-rules-rules-rules-rules-info-updated-july-15th-2023/p1?new=1#Tran "Service Transfers"), and [Free Offers.](https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/26/rules-rules-rules-rules-rules-info-updated-july-15th-2023/p1?new=1#Free "Free Offers.") Other exceptions may be requested by [opening a helpdesk ticket ](https://support.lowendspirit.com/index.php?a=add&category=1 " opening a helpdesk ticket ") prior to posting.
> * Posting a product or service for sale thread requires a [provider tag] https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/26/rules-rules-rules-rules-rules-info-updated-july-15th-2023/p1?new=1#Provider "provider tag") will get you banned. Exceptions: [Domain Sales,](https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/26/rules-rules-rules-rules-rules-info-updated-july-15th-2023/p1?new=1#Domain "Domain Sales,") [Service Transfers](https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/26/rules-rules-rules-rules-rules-info-updated-july-15th-2023/p1?new=1#Tran "Service Transfers"), and [Free Offers.](https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/26/rules-rules-rules-rules-rules-info-updated-july-15th-2023/p1?new=1#Free "Free Offers.") Other exceptions may be requested by sending a PM/DM to a moderator or administrator.
> * If you have a bad day or a conflict with someone and make public statements about leaving the forum, "this will be my last post here" etc your account will be considered retired and you will get no warning about this.
> * If you find yourself in a room of 100 strangers the chances of you not getting along with 1 of them are quite high, now amplify that and make 'the room' an internet forum and make the 100 people 1000's of people the odds of disagreement are much higher, people are different, no one agrees with everyone 100% of the time, consider that when posting, sometimes it really is not worth it.
> * If you find yourself in a room of 100 strangers the chances of you not getting along with 1 of them are quite high, now amplify that and make 'the room' an internet forum and make the 100 people 1000's of people the odds of disagreement are much higher, people are different, no one agrees with everyone 100% of the time, consider that when posting, sometimes it really is not worth it.
> * Even though we are from different parts of the world, the English language is what brings us together. To make sure that we understand each other, we use English when posting.
> * Even though we are from different parts of the world, the English language is what brings us together. To make sure that we understand each other, we use English when posting.
> This doesn\u2019t exclude other languages but should be kept to a minimum to include as many community members as possible (if possible, include a rough translation in English).
> * When new hosts and service providers are requesting a tag please keep the discussions on topic. This area will be more heavily moderated than others to keep the information clear and on point.
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> **<a name="Provider"></a>How to get a Hosting Provider or Services Provider tag:**
> **<a name="Provider"></a>How to get a Hosting Provider or Services Provider tag:**
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> * Submit provider tag requests on our support site (https://support.lowendspirit.com/index.php?a=add&category=2), registered companies only. (Exceptions can be made for well known sole traders)
> * Open a thread on the forum with the subject "TAG Request - (some info/name/business etc)"
> * The member requesting a Hosting Provider tag must be of legal age to make contractual obligations in their country of residence.
> * Let the community know who you are with an introduction, who or what you represent, what you want to sell and some business background.
> * Minimum of 5 non-spammy posts and 7 days old account. [See this note.](https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/comment/143257/#Comment_143257 "See this note.")
> * If available and possible, please include the following information: Company Name, Website, Billing portal link, link to public incorporation information (official GOV/State sites only) and anything else you feel is relevant.
> * Please include the following information: Company Name, Billing portal link, email address to validate domain control, link to public incorporation information (official GOV/State sites only). - We will make every effort to provide the tag within 24 hours.
> * The community as a whole is then welcome to give their overall opinions, ask any reasonable questions and provide feedback and concerns. If it is reasonably well-received, then a moderator or administrator will apply your tag.
> * LES reserves the right to revoke a provider tag when it feels that it is in the best interest of the community.
> * LES reserves the right to revoke a provider tag when it feels that it is in the best interest of the community.
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> **<a name="Offers"></a>Rules for posting offers:**
> **<a name="Offers"></a>Rules for posting offers:**
> _The list below shows the **maximum** price you can charge **in USD** for the service if you wish to advertise it on LES.
> The world is a different place today in 2026 than it was when this forum started, and even more different to when the $7 meme started. Setting arbitrary limits really helps no one. People will buy what they buy, and skip what they are not interested in. As of today 11th June 2026 **there are no longer any price limits on offers, products or services.** for a trial period of 6 months. (Subject to change based on actual results and data)
> It's not the minimum price, and it is definitely not what you must pay to LES in order to post any offers._
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> * $7 p/month Maximum for **VPS** offers
> * **VPS** <-- Virtual Servers Only
> * $99 p/month Maximum for **Dedicated server** offers
> * **Dedicated servers** <-- Dedicated Servers Only
> * $70 p/month Maximum per U for **COLO** offers **(READ WARNING AT BOTTOM)**
> * **Shared hosting** <-- Shared hosting only
> * $3 p/month Maximum for **Shared hosting** offers
> * **Services and Other** <-- Any Hosting-related services and anything that is hosting-related but does not fit elsewhere
> * $7 p/month Maximum for **Reseller hosting** offers
> * **Free Offers and Stuff** <-- Anything with a none monitary cost.
> * $5 p/month Maximum for **VPN/Proxy** related offers
> * **LES Exclusive Offers** <-- Deals you want to post on LES first or exclusively
> * $5 p/month Maximum for **Email** related offers
> * **Must See Deals** <-- Deals found elsewhere that can be posted by the community via cross-posting or links.
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> * **Setup fees** are not allowed on any service other than dedicated servers. The dedicated server setup fee can be a maximum of 1 month equivalent of server cost, only providers that have been established for 3+ years may charge a setup fee on dedicated servers.
> You may post in any or all of these categories once per 7 days, meaning that you can post both a VPS offer, and a Shared Hosting offer, and a Dedicated server offer in the same week.
> * Offers that are temporarily reduced below the LES price limits, via promo code or other methods, must remain at the reduced price for at least 12 months before reverting to a price above the LES price limits.
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> * Offer terms must be clearly stated in the title or body of the offer. Offers judged by LES staff to be misleading will be removed.
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> * If you want to offer general services/design you may start your own thread and then ask a mod/admin to move it to the offers category by [opening a helpdesk ticket. ](https://support.lowendspirit.com/index.php?a=add&category=1 " opening a helpdesk ticket. ") As there is no way to put a price on all services just use common sense - no pointless bumping only update it to respond to questions or update/add new info.
> * Any special offer terms must be fair, non-predatory, none preditory, and clearly stated in the title or body of the offer. Offers judged by LES staff to be misleading will be removed and may result in your TAG being removed.
> * Hosts that have been trading less than 2 years may only post monthly or quarterly offers, exceptions can be made on application and review by [opening a helpdesk ticket. ](https://support.lowendspirit.com/index.php?a=add&category=1 "opening a helpdesk ticket. ")
> * Failure to follow the rules may result in your Hosting provider tag being removed
> * Failure to follow the rules may result in your Hosting provider tag being removed
> * 7 days between offer posts.
> * Please do not bump your own offer posts repeatedly unless you have something of genuine significance to add or are directly responding to a comment made within the last 24 hours.
> * Please do not bump your own offer posts repeatedly unless you have something of genuine significance to add or are directly responding to a comment made within the last 24 hours.
> * Please do not post any offers for services based out of a ColoCrossing data center without first confirming via a [helpdesk ticket](https://support.lowendspirit.com/index.php?a=add&category=1 "helpdesk ticket") that you own your own hardware and IP space and have been operating for at least 3 years, this is to avoid the community suffering from the incredible amount of fraud and scam hosts operating from ColoCrossing data centers.
> * **Providers:** Don't encourage spam, i.e. require customers to post a comment in order to get benefits ("double bandwidth" and similar stuff).
> * **Providers:** Don't encourage spam, i.e. require customers to post a comment in order to get benefits ("double bandwidth" and similar stuff).
> * **Customers:** don't spam the offer threads. Use them to post questions related to the offer(s). If you wish to share feedback, it's best to write in the [review section](https://lowendspirit.com/categories/reviews "review section") or post a link to an existing LES review.
> * Providers are welcome to have their own mega thread to provide general updates and general discussion. You are also welcome to post any new offers in here if you wish; we just ask that you apply common sense with these so they do not get spammy and duplicate offers posted in the offers section within the same week.
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> **<a name="Exclusive"></a>Exclusive LES Offers**
> **<a name="Exclusive"></a>Exclusive LES Offers**
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> * No specific price rules except they MUST be LES exclusive for **at LEAST 24 hours**
> * The LES Exclusive offers section is now simply for offers you only want logged-in LES members to see. We only ask that if you use this, LES is the first place you post the offer. When the karma/trust system is in place, you will get extra karma for posting in here.
> * Only registered providers may post
> * You can post in here as often as you want. (Apply common sense)
> * At least 7 days between offers
> * LES Exclusive offers do not count towards the general offers section post count i.e. you can make LES exclusives as well as regular offers within the same 7 day period
> * LES Exclusive offers are given extra exposure on the front page of the forum and can only be seen by logged-in users.
> * These offers will be moved to the standard offers section after 10 days unless they break the regular pricing rules in which case they will simply be removed.
> * MEMBERS DO NOT share LES Exclusive offers on other sites under any circumstances unless the offer is at least 7 days old, this will result in a ban without any warning.
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> **<a name="Services"></a>Services Provider**
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> * The 'Services provider' tag is for those who offer hosting industry-related services.
> * Submit a provider tag requests on our support site (https://support.lowendspirit.com/index.php?a=add&category=2), to get a tag with an overview of what you offer and your company details.
> * You will be able to post an advert for your services under the usual offers section once in any calendar month.
> * As a service provider, you may post LES exclusive deals also in addition to regular offers without limitation.
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> **<a name="Free"></a>FREE Offers**
> **<a name="Free"></a>FREE Offers**
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> * Offers must be for free stuff only and posted in the "Free Offers and Stuff" category, Free hosting or non hosting related, free as in really free no catch no "in exchange for forum posts".
> * Offers must be for free stuff only and posted in the "Free Offers and Stuff" category, Free hosting or non-hosting related, free as in no monetary value.
> * Anyone can post free offers.
> * Anyone can post free offers.
> * 7 days between Free Offer posts.
> * 7 days between Free Offer posts.
> * Trial offers (Test our service free for X amount of time) are NOT considered free. [See here](https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/comment/198620/#Comment_198620 "See here")
> * Trial offers (Test our service free for X amount of time) are allowed as long as there is no requirement for payment information in advance and a clear policy on how personal data gathered is used.
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> **<a name="Domain"></a>Domain Sales**
> **<a name="Domain"></a>Domain Sales**
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> * Domain sales are fine but please use the Domain Sales Category it is logged-in user access only i.e. not indexed by google.
> * Domain sales are fine but please use the Domain Sales Category it is logged-in user access only i.e. not indexed by google.
> * 7 days between Domain Sales threads.
> * Due diligence is the responsibility of the seller and the buyer; LES staff will not get involved extensively with any disagreements or issues post-sale.
> * Domains must have been registered for a minimum of 60 days.
> * Sale terms, requirements and purchase pricing or starting bids are to be made clear.
> * Maximum starting bid is $7. You can also specify a Buy It Now price.
> * Domain sales threads should include all relevant details including but not limited to, the domain name, current domain expiration date, the starting bid, currency type, payment methods accepted, and auction end date/time, including time zone.
> * Domain sales threads should include all relevant details including but not limited to, the domain name, current domain expiration date, the starting bid, currency type, payment methods accepted, and auction end date/time including time zone.
> * You cannot set a reserve price; if you want a minimum amount, this should be the starting bid.
> * You can set a hidden reserve on your domain by [opening a helpdesk ticket](https://support.lowendspirit.com/index.php?a=add&category=4 "opening a helpdesk ticket") **prior** to posting the sale.
> * If a seller has a Buy It Now (BIN) price, this can remain active throughout bidding and anyone bidding the BIN wins the auction automatically.
> Please include in the ticket your username, the domain name, the reserve amount, and if there is a BIN, the BIN price. The reserve price cannot be more than the BIN price.
> You **must** make it known that there is a reserve price in your Domain Sale thread.
> * If a seller has a reserve price, bidders and seller have no obligations when the highest bid at the end of the auction does not meet the seller's reserve price.
> * If a seller has a Buy It Now (BIN) price, a bidder can commit to pay the BIN price and end the auction by commenting "BIN" .
> * An auction bid is not retractable. Be sure you want the domain before you bid.
> * An auction bid is not retractable. Be sure you want the domain before you bid.
> * Failure to follow through with the purchase by the winning bidder, or seller, of a Domain Sale auction will result in a temporary or permanent barring from future domain auctions.
> * Failure to follow through with the purchase by the winning bidder, or seller, of a Domain Sale auction will result in permanent barring from future domain auctions.
> * Auctions, once started, cannot be terminated early without approval by LES staff.
> * Auctions, once started, cannot be terminated early.
> Auctions with valid bids cannot be terminated early.
> * Failure to abide by Domain Sales rules will result in a permanent barring from future domain auctions.
> * Failure to abide by Domain Sales rules will result in a temporary or permanent barring from future domain auctions.
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> **<a name="Tran"></a>Server Transfer Threads**
> **<a name="Tran"></a>Server Transfer Threads**
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> * Transfer threads should include all relevant details including but not limited to -- price, best offers allowed, who pays transfer fees (if any), payment types accepted by transferor.
> * Transfer threads are allowed in the general section by anyone without limitation.
> * Transferor must be a member of LES for a minimum of 3 months with 10 (non-spammy) posts (comments or discussions).
> * Transfers are buy at your own risk. LES will not play a mediating or facilitating role during the process.
> * Transfers are buy at your own risk. LES will not play a mediating or facilitating role during the process. Due diligence is a must.
> * Due diligence is a must on both sides, which includes verification that service transfers are allowed by the provider and completed in accordance with the provider's guidelines for transfer.
> * Service transfers must be allowed by the provider, and completed in accordance with the provider's guidelines for transfer. Changing the account information without the providers knowledge as a method to transfer is not allowed.
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> **<a name="Sig"></a>Signatures**
> **<a name="Sig"></a>Signatures**
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> * No more than 2 lines for general users.
> * No more than 2 lines for general users.
> * No more than 3 lines for Hosting Providers & Service Providers.
> * No more than 3 lines for Hosting Providers & Service Providers.
> * Feel free to be creative but never deceptive.
> * Feel free to be creative but never deceptive.
> * Affiliate links are fine if prefixed as affiliate links. (aff)
> * Affiliate links are fine if prefixed as affiliate links. (aff)
> * No Images
> * No Images
> * Abuse it and lose it (ZERO TOLERANCE)
> * Abuse it and lose it (ZERO TOLERANCE)
> * If using affiliate links make it clear where they lead e.g. My "Vultr link"
> * If using affiliate links make it clear where they lead e.g. My "Vultr link"
> * Affiliate links or any links that inject/stuff cookies to other sites for financial gain are a no-go.
> * Affiliate links or any links that have the intent of injecting/stuffing cookies are not allowed.
> * Affiliate links to hosts that have a shady reputation or have been involved in scams are not allowed.
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> **<a name="Warnings"></a>WARNINGS**
> **<a name="Warnings"></a>WARNINGS**
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> * As previously stated this is a buyer beware forum, some efforts will be made to prevent people from falling victim to obvious scams, however, this forum is not a nanny state as others in the industry tend to be you must apply common sense.
> * As previously stated, this is a buyer-beware forum; some efforts will be made to prevent people from falling victim to obvious scams; however, this forum is not a nanny state; you must apply common sense.
> * Do not buy yearly deals from a company that has not even been in business for a year.
> * Do not buy yearly deals from a company that has not even been in business for a year.
> * COLO offers, there are known colo scams going on all over the internet right now, be **SURE** you know who you are sending your server to and that you can have a reasonable level of confidence in the company.
> * If someone without a hosting provider or services provider tag wants you to PM them for an offer or PM's you directly with a proposition that involves you parting with money, you should do a significant amount of research before paying a penny, a large percentage of these types of offers are likely to at best, not be what they seem and, at worst, an outright scam.
> * If someone without a hosting provider or services provider tag wants you to PM them for an offer or PM's you directly with a proposition that involves you parting with money you should do a significant amount of research before paying a penny, a large percentage of these types of offers are likely to at best be not what they seem and at worst an outright scam.
> * Anything that is considered to be damaging to the community or the good reputation of the forum (relatively speaking) will be acted upon.
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> **Privacy Policy**
> **Privacy Policy**
> The LES Privacy Policy can be found [HERE](https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/5321/les-privacy-policy "HERE")
> The LES Privacy Policy can be found [HERE](https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/5321/les-privacy-policy "HERE")
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> **Terms of Service**
> **Terms of Service**
> The LES Terms of Service can be found [HERE](https://lowendspirit.com/home/termsofservice "HERE")
> The LES Terms of Service can be found [HERE](https://lowendspirit.com/home/termsofservice "HERE")
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> **<a name="Info"></a>INFO:**
> **<a name="Info"></a>INFO:**
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> Just to save time on the obvious, this forum is absolutely an impression/rough estimation with modern tweaks of lowendtalk before it was shamelessly and underhandedly sold, Essentially LET without the corruption
> The rules are an updated version of the original rules https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/26/rules-rules-rules-rules-rules-info-updated-march-13th-2025/p1 from 2019. Times have changed, and the rules have been updated. The original rules were written for a time that is no longer relevant. The new rules are designed to work with the upcoming planned changes and be less controlling and more community self-moderation driven.
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> The forum was started by me @AnthonySmith for full disclosure I do own a hosting company 'Inception Hosting' and I realize that will possibly create some arguments about bias, this is not something I can change until the forum is handed over to the new community owners so you will just need to live with this fact or choose not too, if you choose not to accept this then please just logout now you will only hurt the community with conspiracy soup.
> While the reasons for some rules are perhaps not obvious today, there is a plan ( https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/10844/hello-again-les-things-are-probably-going-to-change-a-bit-here-are-my-ideas-i-want-your-input/p1 ) and each change fits in with that plan, even if that change has not yet been made.
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> I appreciate some people hate the idea of others making money (usually while using money themselves in everyday life) again this is not something I can or will even try to change, the absolute fact is that companies were making money off the back of the original LET/B and that money enables people to live, eat, start families and provide, the community needs a commercial element, the commercial element needs the community, if you want to be part of a community whereby making money or advertising is frowned upon then this is not the community for you.
> If anyone has any concerns with anything please feel free to send me a PM or an email admin@ this domain name dot com.
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> **You can change your theme between Night and Day under your profile/edit profile to work best for your eyes/device, bugs exist, please report them in the bug reports thread.**
> **You can change your theme between Night and Day under your profile/edit profile to work best for your eyes/device, bugs exist, please report them in the bug reports thread.**